Climate Change Fuel Options

kbd512 is a member of the NewMars forum who frequently contributes long posts which are rich with detail, and show careful thought in preparation. In the post below, kbd512 looks at a variety of options for human beings to address climate change, and offers recommendations based upon various factors.

Readers of luf.org should be aware that kbd512 posts on a variety of topics, some of which might be offensive. The post below confines itself to physics, economics and technical fields, so should be acceptable in this setting.

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Economics of Mars

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Louis: Member from UK

Registered 2008-03-04: Posts: 5,198

I’ve just been reading a book on economic theory called 30-second economics (it’s actually a more in-depth study then that title might suggest). I thought it might be interesting to work through the theories and ask how they relate to a future human society on Mars since I don’t think anyone here or elsewhere has ever attempted to do that…

Classical economic theory This theory has evolved out of Adam Smith’s original writings which indicated that the rapidly adjusting market ensures equilibrium, stability and prosperity.

My comment: The free market will be largely absent from Mars for at least a couple of decades following the arrival of humans in my view. This partly reflects technology (the need to ensure that life support technology is in place) and partly the way missions will be structured (under the control of a centralised planning team). There will be a market between Mars and Earth e.g. over science experiments, where I anticipate demand will exceed supply.

Marxism Marx  predicted the inevitable evolution of a classless society based on the principle of “from each according to their ability and to each according to the need”.

My comment:   In a sense the early missions to Mars will probably reflect these principles. All the participants will be highly dedicated to giving their all to the project and financial motivation will not be required. Equally, they will be happy to help a fellow pioneer who may be in need – e.g. in need of medical treatment.  But Marxism is not an organising principle that works well with larger and more sophisticated societies.

Keynesian economics.  Keynes argued that the business cycle was driven by aggregate demand and suggested that government could intervene to smooth out the ups and downs of the business cycle by manipulating aggregate demand for goods and services.

My comment:    The business cycle is a reality in all markets but it is worth pointing out that we have, on Earth,  had steady growth in world GDP year by year virtually every year since World War II. This is due to technological innovation, improved transport and communications and a growing population. 

The Mars economy will be growing from a tiny colony into an economy based on substantial human populations possibly millions within 100 years. So I think we will not see major business cycle dips. There is perhaps a risk of investment “bubbles” going forward which may cause economic dislocation.

To be continued…

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Louis added additional posts to his topic. These may be viewed at the links below:

Post #1 http://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.php?pid=163436#p163436

Post #4 http://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.php?pid=163447#p163447

Post #5 http://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.php?pid=163449#p163449

Post #6 http://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.php?pid=163456#p163456

Post #7 http://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.php?pid=163472#p163472

Slow Glass Concept for Mars Habitats

The NewMars forum runs a number of parallel discussions. Some are fairly serious discussion of rocket engineering, mission planning or similar interests of contributors.

Among the topics which show up from time to time are considerations of how life can be made interesting and rewarding for workers on Mars, far from home on Earth and constantly threatened by countless natural forces trying to kill them.

One of these topics is “Slow Glass”. The concept itself can be traced (for just one of many possible origins) to Science Fiction, where the concept has been employed as the theme of stories in Analog Science Fact and Fiction, and quite likely elsewhere.

Here is a recent post from the NewMars forum on the subject:

Amidst the serious discussion underway in other topics, about numbers of starships needed for Mars settlement, and propulsion chemistry, I’d like to invite anyone interested to take a look out my “Slow Glass” “window” in my hab in Sagan City (2018).

To my amazement, a Blue Jay showed up in the view.  It may be on it’s way South, but it may have stopped in because it saw squirrels munching on peanuts.  It took a break at the water bowl (heated now that freezing weather has arrived).

There are still some leaves on the trees, but they are definitely looking raggedy.

A relative and I’ve been discussing wildlife in our respective locations.

He reported having to trap a raccoon which had (cleverly in my opinion) climbed up the stone chimney and crept under the roof overhang to spend the night.

I had reported missing the ants, which are a feature of life in the 90+ year old house where I live.  Each little worker is (to my way of thinking) a marvel of nanotechnology on full display.  During the warmer seasons, when pulses of workers find their way into crevasses that (obviously) exist, some make there way (unwisely) into view of my ant capture equipment. 

Wisdom may not be the appropriate property to assign to an ant, but a collective of ants often shows remarkable “intelligence” in the art of survival.

Ants are unlikely to be present on Mars during early years, but there may be a way in which they and other insects turn out to be important for a healthy biological infrastructure.

In any case, there are no ants visible in my “Slow Glass” display at this time of the Earth year.

(th)

Daily Calendar On Mars

The planet Mars is progressing around the Sun in its annual orbit.

Humans have arbitrarily chosen a moment in time to mark the beginning of a calendar for Mars, and members of the NewMars forum are tracking the progress of the planet in its current year. There have been many suggestions for a calendar suitable for Earth humans living on Mars. The one in use for the daily report is chosen to most nearly approximate the calendar in use on Earth in 2019. The proposed calendar has 24 months of 28 days each, with one day removed each quarter to achieve equilibrium with the actual physical orbit. A final adjustment is made at the end of the year, when whatever difference exists between the calendar and the physical orbit is allocated to a long New Year’s Day.

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Introducing Tom Hanson – Mars Society Correspondent

2019/09/20 Cornerstone for NewMars Updates

Since participating in the 2011 Reboot of Lufteam in Yahoo Groups, I’ve been invited into the posting community at NewMars.Com/forums.

Because settlement of Mars was one of Marshall Savage’s objectives for the Millennial Project, I am hoping activity on the NewMars forum will (occasionally) be of interest to readers here.

The NewMars forum started as a function of the Mars Society in (about) 2001, and it has been operating since then, with occasional interruptions due to outside forces, such as equipment failure and attacks by hackers.

I am currently supporting two initiatives which may be of interest to the LUF community:

  1. My Hacienda
  2. Asteroid Miner’s Navigation App

My Hacienda is a topic evolving from the “creation” of a (mythical) Sagan City (2018). It envisions 2750 plots of one square kilometer each laid out around a location on Mars arbitrarily chosen by a member named “Louis” in 2018. The intention of the topic is to bring together 2750 people who will accept responsibility for Division of Labor and Open Market trading to build a virtual community able to deliver comfortable living at the level of first tier cultures on Earth in 2019. The environment is considered to exist after the initial hard scrabble colonization phase, which is explored in great detail elsewhere on NewMars forum.

The Asteroid Miner’s Navigation App undertaking arises from the presence in the NewMars community several veterans of the American space program from the 1960’s forward. The expertise of these veterans is a perishable resource, and I am hoping to capture that expertise for posterity, by capturing it in software that can be run on a smart device to plan a trip between celestial objects, the way first tier citizens on Earth today can plan a trip between cities using GPS.

Update 2019/10/16: SpaceNut is the Administrator of the NewMars forum.

Recently, SpaceNut found a NASA web site that appears to perform many of the services described in the paragraph above, about the Asteroid Miner’s Navigation App. The site is offered for academic research, particularly by researchers thinking about a possible mission.

https://www.nasa.gov/centers/ames/engin … ature.html

(th)